Why do debuggers say?

Haifeng: I was also a listener of Apple Podcast before. I listened to “You talk Podcast” and other programs in the early days, but this is relatively small in China. Why do you want to be a debugger?

Yo-chang: At the beginning, IT was because I liked listening to it. First, he was relaxed; After listening more, he actually stimulated my desire to express myself, and I thought there was still room for improvement in my ability to express myself. The third is that I hope to talk about some serious topics, because in daily life, it is difficult to gather people to talk about serious topics, but the podcast is put on the Internet, so our friends take this matter more seriously, and the pace of our chat will be better. I was quarantined during the pandemic, so I could do this.

Haifeng: THIS resonates with me a lot. Nowadays, social information and socializing are a bit extensive. Friends may not be able to communicate deeply in the environment of karaoke and dinner. But podcasts allow you to chat in peace.

Yuchang: My original intention is that we can spend our time chatting with friends or maintaining a relationship so that we can nourish each other.

What’s the difference between Himalaya and Apple Podcasts? Or what’s the difference between the Chinese market and the overseas podcasting market?

Yo-chang: First of all, in the past two years, a lot of people said that the Chinese podcast market began to fire, especially after the emergence of small Universe, people felt like a fire. I know more and more people who do podcasts, but quality content is really less. I could probably talk more about The United States, which is the country on the wheel, and they’ve been listening to podcasts for a long time, and it’s only in the last few years that podcasts have come in and been accepted by the masses. But he mainly inoculates in the form of crosstalk, pingshu, radio station, the form of personal podcast is still less, more domestic podcast is still in the form of enterprises. Individuals do a little bit less, and the content tends to be more casual.

Haifeng: I listened to the podcast of Friends’ Chat before, and friends like Youzang and Jaxlee have been established, but they seem to have stopped. The main thing is that people do this in their spare time, but it is difficult to have big profits to keep you doing it. In China, I am also wondering whether the scene of cars in China is not so perfect before, when there is a scene in China, it will be better.

Yo-chang: There is another difference. Apple podcasts are more like client portals, without hosting, while Himalaya is more like full hosting, with all the content on the platform. In addition, even if the press management (control), foreign content is rich, content will be more. Sometimes in China, after recording, guests feel that they can not broadcast, such as a lawyer after talking, but they have some agreements with the bar association, some things can not be broadcast outside. Podcasting is you easy to talk along a topic about the deeper, but after the deep will inevitably encounter some sensitive topics, domestic people like to listen to podcasting, I feel there will be two kinds, some are frustrated, they dictation emotional things, and some belong to the higher education level of the crowd, listen to some more in-depth content.

Haifeng: I heard that, reminds me of the spread of Canada, there is a famous scholar named Marshall McLuhan, his theory has a very important concept called “hot” and “cool”, such as newspapers, books, is a cold medium, audio, video, and even now, 4 d, the Internet media is hot, cold media more is needed to trigger their own senses to absorb the content, But the heat medium is a strong stimulus, and your touch, hearing, and sight are always in a state of static acceptance. When we read newspapers or listen to podcasts, we will actively stimulate our brain to listen to the content and think with the guests. However, when you watch Douyin or watch 4D movies, you may be too busy, which makes you stop thinking actively.

Yo-chang: I read a theory that the brain has no natural defense mechanism. You give him or her anything and he or she will try to take it in. Only after you have experience will you actively judge the information you receive. And with the video, it turns out that auditory training is not as acute as visual training.

Haifeng: I hope that listening to podcasts can make us think more. It may be a personal tendency.

What do you want the debugger to look like?

Yo-chang: I am in the early stage of free development. You will find that my podcast will have topics in various directions. I want to find some friends in the development and product direction to talk about it. In the future, to a certain extent, if it is good and needs to be commercialized, then commercialized. Another big reason is that it is difficult to liquidate in the past.

Haifeng: This reminds me of a podcast called “Egg Solution Entrepreneurship”. It had a lot of fans at the beginning, but didn’t make much money. In 2019, it was transferred to Douyin and became popular after making several popular videos.

Yo-chang: And the format of audio is too slow for most people in China. An audio is at least dozens of minutes. For our current pace, you ask a user to listen to you, talk slowly, and then subscribe.

Friends chang: when I am reading the daodejing profound experience a concept, he called “inaction” inside, but my understanding of inaction, is “companion”, a lot of things, meaning, are not your expectations, but your steadfast to do a thing, this process happens, as long as you do, what will happen to the last, sometimes is to look at the day.

Haifeng: A lot of things if you think the value is right, you should stick to it.

Yo-chang: Sometimes we modern people call it a crisis, but it’s not a crisis at all. It’s just that our mentality is too impetuous and too focused on success or failure. Existentialism often talks about life and death, thinking that failure is meaningless. Wen Tianxiang, for example, failed, but we cannot say that he is meaningless. Sometimes to reflect on their own anxiety, it is my ignorance, to paraphrase by others such as existentialism, think oneself really matter in this way, but to find themselves, to Harbin to see, find themselves completely did not reach this level, not to discuss the state of life and death, is just our problem analysis of the current environment is not clear, This is why I show called “the debuggers said,” we need to debug our problems, because sometimes the meaning of the outside world to our are illusory, we have a lot of the problem of the grand illusion, in real life, often small but the real problem, you just trying to avoid him, and to find a great reason to tell yourself powerless.

Yo-chang: You also asked me if I am an idealist. I observe myself in a way. I write down my ideals with paper and pen, and I find that all I think about are pictures related to money and fame. We are not professional philosophers or sociologists, so I can’t tell what is the real idealism and the interest-ism. I just give myself a name. Everyone says “idealism”, so I think I am.

Haifeng: Sometimes we think about the ideal of our role given to us by the society, such as a product or a research and development.

Yo-chang: I think I’m becoming more realistic now. I used to like Li Ao very much. He said to himself that he should not be an idealist and should be a doer. I find that when a person is confused, only when you do something steadily, you may not be confused before, just have a clear goal, what to do, be happier.

Haifeng: About ideal, I think of we can let yourself live better, such as more income, a better life, better career, but there are also some fetter drag you, but you can aim for the things you want to do, perhaps you now have a lot of difficulties, not necessarily can become, but you went to that goal, For example, we are in the group of indie developers and creators, and I want to build this platform for deep communication, and if it can bring revenue, that’s great (like you said before “companion”), then I should look at the basic disk around me now and push it. Yes, doers are needed.

How to deal with 3-minute enthusiasm

Haifeng: I see you are also very introspective. How do you deal with 3-minute enthusiasm?

Yo-chang: Some things, like your work, you can’t help it. You need to distinguish between what you should do and what you don’t want to do. If few people say they can’t do something they should be doing, like work, then why aren’t you doing something you want to do? Be clear of the reason, if you think you love a thing, isn’t it be like the other things people infected, such as a guitar, I bought a classmate because I saw you playing the guitar is handsome, but came back a few days did not play, later want to buy a electronic organ, I said this is not like the guitar is not like the keyboard, but likes to show off (ha ha, the micro).

Yo-chang: There are also a lot of 3-minute passion, we often fall at the beginning, we are not experienced at the beginning, often fall at the beginning, of course, some people say that they have high requirements for the work, do not expose their work at the beginning, but I think the more reason is that they do not have the courage to expose their shortcomings in front of others. Even if you don’t do well at the beginning, don’t be afraid to let yourself be criticized by others. You should put aside too many things and don’t worry about fame and wealth. Do it first and don’t worry about too many things. Then I read a book called Persistence, persistence is not just about perseverance, how we want to do something, we usually think that you can’t persist because you are not passionate enough about something, but I saw a situation where enthusiasm is too much, it is easy to give up. Indie developers have a situation where you have someone who’s just taken a break from work and is completely committed to their work, maybe for days at a time, day or night, but they get messed up, they get physically broken, they don’t socialize. Sometimes too much enthusiasm is not a good thing, and more needs to be done in a scientific and rational way. Sometimes give up, just we don’t know enough about themselves, need to arrange their time scientifically and reasonably.

Haifeng: Well, there are two inspirations from this party. First of all, if you love or want to do something, you should allocate your energy, resources and time to it, rather than overdraw yourself in the early stage. Second, the hardest thing about anything is that you do it, you do it.

Brainstorm/flow/hack white

Haifeng: I’m a beneficiary of deep communication. I get a lot of benefits when I communicate with others in flow. Do you feel that way about podcasting? What’s your opinion on 1V1 deep communication

Yo-chang: You also asked me for my opinion on 1V1 deep communication. I think it would be really, really hard to make a project out of this. The line is more in the form of a consultant or consulting community. Such content is difficult to form a collision. There is payment, which is a one-way output with unequal information resources. This form is relatively easy to do. If two people want to enter “empathy”, they need to have similar level, similar research on the same thing, and good expression and thinking ability. The way I use it is I think about, if I were to do this thing, how to do it. I think of the first method is: only do high-quality people, so your investment is relatively small, while the income is very little. The second method is that you go to sink: there may be no clear criteria for your entry, but you need to do a good job of “matching” and “guidance”, such as to find people similar to you; If you just match two people who are not good enough, you can do it, but how do you do the guidance, it’s very difficult; You guide him to communicate, but also need to improve his knowledge reserve, skills, at the same time you also need to understand his operating habits, etc. Your starting point may be a simple idea, but you want to put the simple idea into practice, need a lot of low-level thinking, the grasp of details. This platform, if it is finally made, you can position it as a platform for “high quality personal development”.

Yo-chang: WHEN I was doing podcast, I had a feeling that if you didn’t improve your level all the time, the current knowledge reserve would not be enough for you to continuously communicate in depth. It would drain your knowledge reserve. If you can do this thing well, really “merit is boundless”.

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