Note: This article is suitable for those who have worked in US IT companies for more than 5 years. The cases and discussions in this article are also for those who have worked in US IT companies for more than 5 years. This article is not intended for those with less than 5 years of experience or who have moved up to management level in the United States

Recently, Mitbbs was inspired by a post asking for an offer from Ali:



The discussion was normal at the beginning:








This is enough for the normal discussion, and the views of the above are representative, including:

  1. Domestic relations are too complex for American coders to handle

  2. Go back to code work too hard, is to do cattle, not worth it, lost the advantage

  3. If you want to make it big, the package can’t be low


To sum up, that means neither getting tired nor dealing with personal relationships back home, and making sure your salary only goes up.


What else to say – this is not to return home, but to win the lottery.


However, it is understandable that it is difficult to give up the clean and bright light and regular feeding system of modern pigsty in the United States for a long time. It is easy to get a clean and tidy pigsty house.


Greenhouse flowers and wild weeds each chose a different route, not good or bad.


Then the rest of the discussion began to escalate:








First to attack this “FB wants to change the management line 5 level 6 easy” – this is funny, you know a lot of FB jobs, how many are management line? How old are you? 1? 2? Don’t talk about “tech lead” or “project lead”. Manager Track knows that.


Then the dog home T3 to Ali P8 this, equivalent to the case of the four great men not to mention it, incredibly also by these people as a standard.


And then all sorts of stories about the big four come up:






It was a kind of impotence to see these remarks, and the gang decided from the beginning:

  1. China is full of liars and “no integrity at all”

  2. China is ignorant, are not able to climb the ladder, are not doing things, you ali or Tencent or that afraid of traffic and data volume ranked the world’s top that is also a liar, are not as fucking as the United States silicon Valley to make his several broken open source worthless garbage on Github to cow

  3. Screw in the United States is the right way, must be back in the United States, can not screw in the United States, brick moving not as good as other Chinese, wall painting (brush) no other Chinese with passion…

  4. If you return to China, you must double your SR. VP + salary (also bat), or you will start your own business in China


In fact, as we all know, Silicon Valley mix, nothing more than brush + job-hopping, relying on the internal rise to the middle and high level is not to say that there is no, but strictly speaking is not the mainstream of the career development of code workers. This is a personal preference. If you think you can still brush Leetcode happily in your 40s, you are great! However, how do I feel that the last few sentences are like saying turtles returning to China for dating at least if the CCTV host or a-list actor that kind of feeling? Are these people still in the 1990s?


Let’s talk about our views:

  1. It’s a personal choice, no different than whether you love fitness or hot pot or whatever. In fact, beauty piao and north piao are the same thing, no one said that north piao home is not to go or to stay in Beijing silly bar.


  2. FLAG of the United States, BAT of China and Huawei are all on the same level. Often say that domestic unreliable is too much of a frog in a well, come to read a few years to become as narrow as White Zuo Hua zuo. Of course, domestic companies do not have such an assembly line and standardization in the process of doing things as in the United States, but this is not important. American companies also pay attention to get things done, why care about the superficial process. In fact, if some domestic processes are not acceptable, don’t break them.


  3. The most critical salary issue, our public view is that lower than the American emperor is acceptable. Since you have chosen to return to China, what you value should not be a stable life, otherwise you should stay in the United States. When you return home, you must want to move up, and no matter which company, when you want to move up, you must pay is related to performance, not code workers such a simple actually basically bullshit performance review. As a starting point for returning home, the salary can ensure that the quality of life does not significantly decline. Like the get ali offer before the salary of around 30 w (all the) American imperialists, 13 May 180000, barely a month on average 10000 beautiful knife, the living standard, besides air quality, it is hard to say if there is any domestic light – the most straightforward, said 30 w income families in the bay area to please her American imperialists or nanny? As for the difference of two or three hundred thousand RMB, don’t worry about it with the thinking of a code worker. You plan to go back to China and fight for it. If you don’t have the confidence to compete for this prize, you’d better stay in the United States and talk about code review with kids.


  4. As for the comments on what zhao family, what back to be oppressed and so on, it is not worth refuting, are scholars love to point out the country’s YY. There is really nothing to bully in the American imperial pigsty, you are the lowest moving bricks, what threat? What resources can we grab? I’m trying to flirt with you. Ll: That’s right, li Hua. You come back with the halo of a turtle (although it is not so bright anymore). Everyone knows that you want to move up and come back to grab resources. Of course, you will face competition and some kind of crowd out, which is a challenge. Brush all your life?



Finally, I agree with the conclusion of one of Mitbbs’s replies:

  • Back home, the chances of you still being a coder four or five years later are pretty much zero.

  • After 4 or 5 years of hunting/leetcode, there is almost 100% chance that you will continue to read jobhunting/leetcode





Be careful when returning to China, but remember that opportunities will be less and less and worse, as a friend said: if you want to come back to China with a high salary, you can screw in the United States all your life.


There’s nothing wrong with screwing a screw, and screwing a screw and getting you $300,000 is no different than getting a pie in the sky. Like I said, it’s a personal choice. But everyone in the United States do not hold a certain SR. VP + salary double expectations, that is not considered overseas return, that is a daydream, you do not think that now FLAG back can be qualified to date a line of Internet celebrities (do not mention the movie star or host)?

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Some of my friends were very angry and excited in the comments. If I had read this article when I was studying hard, came to The United States, worked hard to find a dream job of FLAG and became a high-earning engineer, and was full of longing and expectation for the future, I would have scolded the author as well. You can say the same thing like you don’t see how much real tech talent is paid and valued in corporate America. You just can’t get away with it. Believe me, if I wanted to read it, I could read the same thing I said to someone.

It’s not about right or wrong, it’s about the audience. I fully agree with and support students who have just graduated from IT companies in the United States to work hard for several years. This period may be the best time for them to earn a high income among their peers and have more development opportunities. If they can meet a good group of new projects and make contribution to be promoted soon, And can quickly access to things that can’t be learned in school and the latest technology, two or three years later, your vision and ability are not as good as when you just graduated, and often can quickly establish a financial foundation. In some ways, this is when you’re laying the groundwork for your future career development (including your network).

This group, is shown in the above is not the case for someone has worked for more than four years and worked at facebook for more than two years of PhD, a home have a little like a typical in the career plateau (or bottleneck period) friends (of course, the friend that is in the bottleneck, but most people at this time is after 4 years of stock, Either you are considering a new job or you are offered a promotion, and your friend can get two more years), so it is quite normal for friends who do not meet these requirements to find it difficult to accept the above discussion and have huge differences.

On the other hand, if these people had jumped to Snapchat/Airbnb and been sent to Beijing to do development lead, or fb lifted the ban in China to make Chinese products, they would still be jumping with joy – nothing else, because it is an “American” or “Silicon Valley” company… That sounds awesome.

This is true, but no matter how awesome it sounds, it is only for Chinese people to have the halo of “Silicon Valley”. If we can’t finally land on the ground (frankly speaking, we can convert this halo into real value), what’s the point?